14:56 mig5@> shall we do a scrum darthsteven anarcat ergonlogic omega8cc
15:02 anarcat@> oh yes!
15:02 anarcat@> scrum time!
15:03 omega8cc+> hi!
15:03 hefring > privet
15:03 anarcat@> alright
15:04 anarcat@> well, for myself i am just back from vacation
15:04 anarcat@> still swamped with a lot of non-aegir related work
15:04 anarcat@> but hopefully i will get to fix some pesky issues that have been bothering our clients and workers here
15:05 anarcat@> one low hanging fruit we have is to deploy those module automatically on new sites: http://drupal.org/node/1157114
15:05 hefring > http://drupal.org/node/1157114 => DB Login => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
15:06 (*) anarcat looking for the second one
15:06 anarcat@> http://drupal.org/project/environment_indicator
15:06 anarcat@> there
15:06 anarcat@> the other things are: exportable backups and the pesky files directory
15:06 anarcat@> i am looking for ways to optimise the migrations
15:06 anarcat@> because right now we end up tarring and untarring a lot of the same crap every week
15:07 anarcat@> and i'm looking for ways to optimise that
15:07 anarcat@> so suggestions welcome there
15:07 anarcat@> the exportable backups is just to have a way to hardlink the backup in the @hostmaster/files directory with a hard-to-guess filename so that only the user can download it
15:11 mig5@> interesting
15:11 mig5@> sorry, dealing with a nagios alert here at the same time
15:11 anarcat@> fun :)
15:11 anarcat@> i think that's pretty much it for me
15:12 mig5@> not much from me this week.. need to find some more time to look at http://drupal.org/node/1388906 again. would be nice to test the nginx stuff more, not that we don't trust omega8cc of course :)
15:12 hefring > http://drupal.org/node/1388906 => It is possible to break Nginx based install with upload progress by enabling nginx_ssl feature => Provision, Code, critical, needs review, 5 comments, 1 IRC mention
15:12 mig5@> i'm otherwise just swamped with work, it's insane
15:12 anarcat@> i know how you feel
15:12 anarcat@> my return from vacation is insane
15:12 mig5@> i give my aegir talk at Druapl DownUnder on saturday, should be good
15:12 mig5@> how was NYC ?
15:12 anarcat@> we had a compromised ftp account that sent out 30k spams on my first day :P
15:12 mig5@> ugh!
15:12 anarcat@> it was good
15:12 anarcat@> it was only one day!
15:12 anarcat@> but i did a aegir pres with ergonlogic
15:12 anarcat@> and i think we got a few people in
15:13 anarcat@> i met with the pantheon guys, and they have a *great* product
15:13 anarcat@> not open source of course :P
15:13 mig5@> yeah. it's nice and simple
15:13 anarcat@> but they really got somethign going with their dev/staging/prod thingy
15:13 mig5@> yes and non-free :(
15:13 ergonlogic > hi
15:13 anarcat@> well, i got invite codes
15:13 anarcat@> i promised josh_k_ i would try to crack their thing
15:13 mig5@> haha
15:13 anarcat@> so far didn't find the time
15:13 anarcat@> but they really have good security tools
15:14 anarcat@> they are using cgroups, fcgi (or similar)
15:14 mig5@> David Strauss knows his stuff
15:14 anarcat@> so basically, you are renting out process groups
15:14 mig5@> and that valhalla filesystem he's using for clustering and HA, sounds interesting
15:14 anarcat@> as opposed to whole vservers, which was the old way
15:14 anarcat@> yeah that's nice too
15:14 mig5@> what are they using underneath: debian?
15:14 mig5@> or redhat?
15:14 anarcat@> i didn't troll, so i don't know ;)
15:14 mig5@> i seem to recall a redhat feature that rented processes
15:15 anarcat@> well, cgroups allow for fine-grained process isolation
15:15 anarcat@> cgroups is the kernel option that allows vservers (or linux containers as the call them now) to work
15:15 mig5@> yeh
15:15 anarcat@> they also use selinux
15:15 anarcat@> they seem really into it
15:15 anarcat@> pretty cool
15:15 anarcat@> anyways
15:15 mig5@> i'm surprised they don't just build a machine per client or something.. it's not that expensive these days
15:15 anarcat@> enough with pantheon :P
15:15 mig5@> yeah :)
15:15 anarcat@> mig5: that's what they were doing before
15:16 anarcat@> i think it was *more* expensive than clustering in a single box
15:16 anarcat@> you got to get some edge in some place
15:16 anarcat@> so anyways
15:16 anarcat@> ergonlogic hi!
15:16 anarcat@> ergonlogic: something to add to our first scrum of the year?
15:16 anarcat@> (or is it?)
15:16 anarcat@> :)
15:16 ergonlogic > well, I'm just back from vacation too
15:16 anarcat@> welcome back :)
15:17 ergonlogic > so trying to get back into the swing of things
15:17 ergonlogic > I'm working out the kinks to start doing to Aegir 101 screencasts
15:17 ergonlogic > s/to/some/g
15:17 ergonlogic > and fighting with vimeo... they don;t like .ogv apparently
15:18 anarcat@> them basterds :)
15:18 ergonlogic > but anyway, just "how to create a site with Aegir" kinda stuff
15:18 ergonlogic > introductory for new clients, at this point
15:19 ergonlogic > other than that, just before the holidays, anarcat and I published a couple puppet modules
15:19 ergonlogic > one for drush and another for aegir
15:19 ergonlogic > on d.o
15:19 anarcat@> oh yeah we did!
15:19 anarcat@> actually *you* did :)
15:19 ergonlogic > well, I published them, sure...
15:19 anarcat@> but yeah, we polished a aegir module
15:19 ergonlogic > but *we* worked on getting them publishable
15:19 anarcat@> unfortunately it still relies on debian
15:19 anarcat@> ie. it doesn't do the manual install if you're *not* on debian
15:19 mig5@> oh, exciting! where are the modules?
15:19 anarcat@> which would have been awesome
15:20 ergonlogic > I posted a dozen or so issues on them for cleanup
15:20 anarcat@> well, it *should* be on http://community.aegirproject.org/contrib-modules
15:20 anarcat@> but it isn't :P
15:20 mig5@> i'll work this into a new aegir newsletter :)
15:20 ergonlogic > I'll get the urls
15:20 anarcat@> and i'll add them to the page
15:20 ergonlogic > http://drupal.org/project/puppet-aegir
15:20 ergonlogic > http://drupal.org/project/puppet-drush
15:21 mig5@> i love this: server goes down, hosting company's support system and all their nameservers go down as well. excellent
15:21 mig5@> if it wasn't for DNS cache they'd be uncontactable to tell them about it
15:21 (*) anarcat notices the twitter block on c.a.o is still broken
15:21 ergonlogic > they depend on a couple other puppet modules, one from Koumbit, and another from RiseUp, which is documented on the project pages
15:21 anarcat@> mig5: dns -> ouch
15:21 ergonlogic > sigh...
15:21 mig5@> great stuff re: puppet
15:22 mig5@> looking forward to trying that
15:22 ergonlogic > anyway, I also updated Aegir Up to use the new puppet modules
15:22 ergonlogic > http://drupal.org/project/aegir-up
15:22 ergonlogic > using git subtrees
15:22 anarcat@> mig5: another thing for your newsletter: arch linux support! http://community.aegirproject.org/node/389/revisions/view/2683/2684
15:23 mig5@> yes! saw that
15:23 ergonlogic > so I now have about a dozen branches to wrangle
15:23 mig5@> and did you see darthsteven's crazy article where he mass-migrated sites between two aegirs
15:23 ergonlogic > but seems more maintainable than sub-modules
15:23 ergonlogic > indeed yes!
15:23 ergonlogic > I want to try it out this week or next
15:24 ergonlogic > the mass migration stuff looks very cool
15:24 ergonlogic > it's also the initial reason I started aegir-up, to test that sort of thing
15:25 anarcat@> http://community.aegirproject.org/contrib-modules#Puppet_modules
15:25 ergonlogic > anarcat: thanks!
15:26 ergonlogic > I think that's it from me...
15:26 anarcat@> ok, i think we're done then
15:27 omega8cc+> I'm also back at work and plan to port some never submitted patches to 1.x, as we (boa) are using already 2.x code so it was a bit out of sync between boa and official Nginx support in Aegir 1.x
15:27 ergonlogic > I'd really appreciate some feedback on Aegir-up, btw
15:27 anarcat@> unless darthsteven magically flys in
15:27 anarcat@> with his cape
15:27 anarcat@> oh, omega8cc ! hi! :)
15:27 omega8cc+> plus, I promised to submit standalone Aegir on Nginx how-to (step by step). We also tested and helped to fix a few distros so they work with Aegir and this list grows nicely :)
15:27 omega8cc+> hi anarcat! and all
15:27 anarcat@> nice!
15:27 anarcat@> omega8cc: any work on a debian package for nginx? :)
15:28 omega8cc+> anarcat: there is chance it will be soon! on the table already
15:28 omega8cc+> as we are moving with everything to things like deb, puppet etc
15:28 darthsteve@> Sorry I missed the scrum!
15:28 anarcat@> nice!
15:28 darthsteve@> In another meeting
15:28 anarcat@> i am really happy to hear that!
15:29 anarcat@> omega8cc: if you need help with the package, i already have ideas on how to do it
15:29 darthsteve@> Nothing really to add though
15:29 ergonlogic > omega8cc: I'd be happy to integrate nginx patches to the puppet-aegir module :)
15:29 ergonlogic > hi steve
15:29 anarcat@> omega8cc: basically, i think that it can be done without creating a new package - just add "| nginx" as a dependency and make a debconf dialog (or autodetection) to figure out which to setup
15:29 ergonlogic > steven
15:29 omega8cc+> anarcat: I will ask for your assistance for sure, thanks!
15:29 darthsteve@> Hoping to get back to working on Aegir within the next few weeks.
15:29 darthsteve@> Sorry for interrupting!
15:30 omega8cc+> anarcat: exactly, it shouldn't be a separate package
15:30 ergonlogic > darthsteven: thanks for the mass migration write-up
15:30 anarcat@> cool
15:30 ergonlogic > darthsteven: I'll be trying it out soon
15:30 omega8cc+> ergonlogic: sure, I will let you know
15:31 darthsteve@> ergonlogic: Yeah, no doubt I removed a vital part of it while writing it up. Pester me of that's the case
15:31 ergonlogic > darthsteven: you can bet on it ;)
15:32 darthsteve@> Some of it will be in Aegir core at some point, so I'd rather find the bugs now :)
15:33 omega8cc+> darthsteven: hi, in the meantime we (boa) are testing the 2.x code in production :)
15:34 omega8cc+> so far, absolutely no issues
15:34 darthsteve@> omega8cc: Hehe, just you wait...
15:35 omega8cc+> ;)
15:35 darthsteve@> omega8cc: Though hopefully we can get some more tests written
15:40 ergonlogic > ok then... so, I'll assume that's the end of the scrum and post the log to c.a.o
15:40 mig5@> thanks ergonlogic