[06:59:46] <ergonlogic> mig5 omega8cc: scrum?
[07:00:14] <ergonlogic> darthsteven & anarcat indicated they wouldn't be able to make it today
[07:00:57] <omega8cc> ergonlogic: we may need to re-schedule it then?
[07:01:20] <ergonlogic> yep, anarcat had asked to re-schedule for an hour earlier
[07:02:05] <omega8cc> ergonlogic: makes sense also here, as it is now 10pm cet, not sure about mig5?
[07:02:44] <mig5> hi there
[07:02:44] <hefring> mig5: 2 hours 39 min ago <darthsteven> Tell mig5 that I'll be unable to make the scrum again, I've worked on fixing some bugs, including one major one that I introduced in 1.7. I would suggest that we should release 1.8 soonish. I also did some work on aegir-up to make it super useful for developing aegir itself.
[07:03:09] <mig5> i am OK for it to be rescheduled - however, if it moves earlier in the day, i won't be showing up :)
[07:03:14] <mig5> and i think that's ok, to be honest...
[07:03:25] <mig5> we've spent years to trying to accomodate for everyone and i think it's the wrong approach
[07:03:44] <mig5> i'll send updates via hefring in advance, and read scrum notes afterward
[07:03:45] <ergonlogic> mig5: ok
[07:03:54] <ergonlogic> mig5: do you have a suggestion?
[07:04:09] <ergonlogic> nobody wants to exclude anyone else
[07:04:14] <mig5> nope. any later is too late for the europeans
[07:04:24] <mig5> any earlier, i will not wake up (hard enough already :) )
[07:04:42] <mig5> and by the time the europeans are getting up, it's late for me, so same problem
[07:04:56] <mig5> reversed
[07:04:59] <ergonlogic> yep
[07:05:06] <ergonlogic> no wins
[07:05:22] <omega8cc> mig5: hah, hefring could help a bit, but it is then not really interactive :) 22pm cet is still ok for me
[07:05:56] <mig5> i'm not fussed on 'exclusion', it's simply the nature of things :) i'd sooner see four or 5 of you talking, via logs, than three of us
[07:06:35] <mig5> nothing new from me anyway this week - darthsteven has been amazing in the issue queues, fixed a lot of things. and it looks like i need to finally check out aegir-up
[07:06:59] <omega8cc> or maybe let's schedule two scrums on Monday/Tuesday then? so we could choose which scrum to attend?
[07:07:02] <ergonlogic> well, we do alot of communicating outside the scrums, so I don;t think it's essential
[07:07:22] <ergonlogic> omega8cc: that's another good idea
[07:07:35] <mig5> yes a morning/night scrum could be interesting :)
[07:07:47] <ergonlogic> though maybe monday/thursday, or something
[07:07:54] <ergonlogic> so it's spread out a bit more?
[07:08:02] <omega8cc> sometimes I work late in the night cet
[07:08:03] <mig5> yep
[07:08:05] <omega8cc> good idea
[07:08:20] <ergonlogic> yeah, same here (late nights)
[07:09:11] <omega8cc> so let's convert the old problem into this new idea
[07:09:35] <ergonlogic> so, monday afternoons, one hour earlier
[07:09:48] <ergonlogic> and thursdays when it's convenient for mig5?
[07:10:31] <ergonlogic> later, we could perhaps schedule the monday ones earlier to be easier on the europeans...
[07:10:44] <omega8cc> sure, is thursday ok for you mig5?
[07:10:48] <mig5> i'm confused on when is 'monday afternoon' - afternoon for who?
[07:10:57] <ergonlogic> re aegir-up, I'min the process of turning it into a drush extension
[07:11:00] <mig5> thursday is fine for me - at this time, or the other end of the day?
[07:11:16] <ergonlogic> mig5: well, for me, obviously :P
[07:12:06] <omega8cc> mig5: be the host of the thursday scrum and choose the hour :)
[07:12:21] <ergonlogic> mig5: I meant one hour earlier than current time on mondays (for now)
[07:12:30] <ergonlogic> for the Monday scrums
[07:12:56] <mig5> yes, go one hour earlier on the mondays - as i'll likely just drop out of those, so make it convenient for you
[07:13:12] <ergonlogic> right
[07:14:27] <mig5> and perhaps we go the opposite for Thursday
[07:14:27] <mig5> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&mont...
[07:14:47] <mig5> so it's the time in montreal for oyu that is for me right now, but europeans and asia-pacific can join in
[07:15:36] <mig5> or perhaps one hour earlier, same as you're going to make it for monday
[07:15:49] <mig5> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&mont...
[07:16:18] <omega8cc> this will work for me, but maybe 9pm would be better
[07:16:21] <omega8cc> right
[07:16:55] <mig5> ok sure
[07:17:17] <ergonlogic> alright, I've update the monday scrums on c.a.o
[07:17:38] <ergonlogic> I'll leave it to one of you to add the second scrum time?
[07:17:57] <omega8cc> mig5: :)
[07:18:18] <ergonlogic> I guess we can just remove 'weekly' from those pages now :)
[07:18:29] <omega8cc> yep
[07:20:00] <ergonlogic> hefring tell darthsteven we're moving the Monday scrums up by 1 hour (for now) as per anarcat's request, and starting a second one on Thursdays, to accomodate Mig5 and Omega8cc
[07:20:00] <hefring> ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when darthsteven is around.
[07:20:20] <ergonlogic> hefring tell anarcat we're moving the Monday scrums up by 1 hour (for now) as per your request, and starting a second one on Thursdays, to accomodate Mig5 and Omega8cc
[07:20:20] <hefring> ergonlogic: I'll pass that on when anarcat is around.
[07:21:02] <omega8cc> I still need to take a look at this aegir-up stuff, but am I correct you are rewriting it as a drush ext?
[07:21:10] <ergonlogic> k, so, let's wrap this up, unless anyone had anything substantive?
[07:21:14] <ergonlogic> omega8cc: yep
[07:21:27] <omega8cc> awesome!
[07:21:27] <ergonlogic> the basics are in place
[07:21:39] <ergonlogic> with drush wrappers around the shell scripts I'd written
[07:21:57] <ergonlogic> but I'll start new commands natively in drush, and port the rest as time permits
[07:22:31] <ergonlogic> hefring: log pointer
[07:22:31] <hefring> http://hefring.mig5.net/bot/log/aegir/2012-03-26#T187514
[07:22:39] <omega8cc> I have very little to report this week, basically a bit of simple magic in Aegir and Drush 4.6-dev to make it work with Drupal 8
[07:22:53] <ergonlogic> omega8cc: yeah, that was nice!
[07:23:17] <ergonlogic> I haven't tried it out yet, but nice to see!
[07:23:42] <omega8cc> that was not really a magic, rather boring search/replace, but still, it is nice it works
[07:24:01] <ergonlogic> drush 5 was released
[07:24:33] <ergonlogic> so we might want to start moving aegir to it
[07:24:43] <omega8cc> yeah, but it drops drupal 5 support and we are not compatible yet, afaik
[07:24:58] <ergonlogic> there are a couple issues about it, yeah
[07:25:04] <omega8cc> so we have a choice in the meantime
[07:25:36] <ergonlogic> well, I guess that can be one of the differentiators for 2.x? no more D5?
[07:27:07] <omega8cc> yeah, however we have still people on pressflow 5, but it will be a good selling point to give them EOL for d5 support in Aegir
[07:27:31] <ergonlogic> drush also supports COMMANDFILE.drush4.inc, or something similar
[07:28:08] <ergonlogic> so we could keep our current functionality for backward compatibility
[07:28:16] <omega8cc> didn't know that, nice
[07:28:19] <ergonlogic> but it would mean alot more code to maintain
[07:28:38] <omega8cc> yeah, not worth the effort probably
[07:29:04] <ergonlogic> it's an option, if we want to deprecate D5 support, I guess
[07:29:59] <ergonlogic> either way drush 5 is the future, and allows for some nifty things
[07:30:02] <ergonlogic> anyway
[07:30:12] <ergonlogic> I'll post the log